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		<title>My Conversation with &#8220;Mark&#8221; on Personhood and Apathy</title>
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				<description><![CDATA[<p>Estimated reading time: 2 minutes. This is the story of one of the dialogues I had during our outreach at the University of Michigan. &#160; I talked to a student I’ll call “Mark” at the University of Michigan who was pro-choice. He thought personhood began in the 2nd trimester, but he wasn’t sure why. I told him [&#8230;]</p>
<p>The post <a href="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/my-conversation-with-mark-on-personhood-and-apathy/">My Conversation with &#8220;Mark&#8221; on Personhood and Apathy</a> appeared first on <a href="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com">Equal Rights Institute Blog - Clear Pro-Life Thinking</a>.</p>
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					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h6><em><strong>Estimated reading time</strong>: 2 minutes.</em></h6>
<p><em>This is the story of one of the dialogues I had during our outreach at the University of Michigan.</em></p>
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<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">I talked to a student I’ll call “Mark” at the University of Michigan who was pro-choice. He thought personhood began in the 2nd trimester, but he wasn’t sure why. I told him my concern was that I wanted an explanation of personhood that would make sense of the idea that all human adults should have an equal right to life. I’ve never seen someone understand where that logic leads so fast. He immediately said, “Oh, if we’re trying to give everyone an equal right to life than personhood would start here” and he pointed to the fertilization picture.</span></p>
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<p><a href="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242.jpg"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3246" src="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242.jpg" alt="IMG_0242" width="1200" height="1027" srcset="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242.jpg 1200w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-300x257.jpg 300w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-1024x876.jpg 1024w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-760x650.jpg 760w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-467x400.jpg 467w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-82x70.jpg 82w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0242-600x514.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">After Mark made some statements that he agreed with most of our premises, I decided to press him further. I said, “So I believe there are about 3,000 innocent people being legally killed every day.” </span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mark responded, “I agree.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">I said, “So, what should we do about that?”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mark sort of shrugged his shoulders.</span></p>
<p><a href="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253.jpg"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3248" src="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253.jpg" alt="IMG_0253" width="1200" height="740" srcset="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253.jpg 1200w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-300x185.jpg 300w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-1024x631.jpg 1024w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-760x469.jpg 760w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-518x319.jpg 518w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-82x51.jpg 82w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0253-600x370.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">I said, “Think about the people you consider your heroes. One of mine is Martin Luther King, Jr. Not only did he see a huge human rights injustice, but he used excellent strategy to help white people to see the injustice that he saw. He wasn’t the only one fighting for civil rights, but arguably he was the most effective.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mark replied, “Well, that sounds all persuasive when you reference Martin Luther King, Jr., but I think on this issue we should just leave well enough alone. Abortion isn’t ending anyway.”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">I said, “Yeah, but what would Martin Luther King Jr. have said if someone told him exactly that? That we should just leave well enough alone and that racism isn’t ending anyway?”</span></p>
<p><a href="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3247" src="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250.jpg" alt="IMG_0250" width="1200" height="801" srcset="https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250.jpg 1200w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-300x200.jpg 300w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-1024x684.jpg 1024w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-760x507.jpg 760w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-518x346.jpg 518w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-250x166.jpg 250w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-82x55.jpg 82w, https://blog.equalrightsinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_0250-600x401.jpg 600w" sizes="(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Mark replied that that was a good point, shook my hand and left to think about that for awhile.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">I don’t think every pro-life person needs to be as active in the pro-life movement as Martin Luther King Jr. was in the civil rights movement. But I want to press people who say they agree with our premises but feel completely apathetic about the issue at an emotional level. </span></p>
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