The Pregnant 10 Year-Old: Thinking Well About This Tragic Story (with Robin Atkins)

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Everyone has been talking about the tragic case of a 10-year-old who was raped, became pregnant, and driven across state lines to get an abortion. Even President Biden referenced her story in public. Multiple ERI followers have asked us how pro-life people can answer questions about this story without sounding like a moral monster.

Josh and Emily invited licensed mental health counselor Robin Atkins to discuss the story with us. Our conversation included the rules regarding public discussion of patient information, particularly in CHINS cases, and the damage done if the rules are violated as well as how pro-life people should talk about this story.

ERI LIVE: What Should I Say in a Post-Roe America?

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The days after Roe v. Wade’s overturning have been riddled with confusion, panic, anger, protests, and misinformation. There has never been a more important time for pro-life advocates to provide clarity, explain what overturning Roe v. Wade really means, and describe how we want to see our society move forward. Josh, Emily, and Andrew went live on YouTube and Facebook to help you think clearly and respond effectively to the most contentious issue of the moment.

After summarizing what the Dobbs decision did, the staff pull the curtain back on what their experience was like on the day that Dobbs came out, and their emotional reactions to the situation since.

Then they discuss the question of whether pro-lifers should be even trying to get into dialogues right now, given the heated emotions right now.

Finally they respond to these common pro-choice arguments right now:

  • Back-alley abortions
  • Pro-lifers don’t care about babies after they’re born
  • Handmaid’s Tale
  • “This is a step back 50 years for women’s rights”
  • “People will still get abortions anyway!”
  • “You’re going to force women to die from tubal pregnancies. Are doctors really not allowed to do live-saving procedures?”
  • The maternal mortality rate in Mississippi
  • “Justice Thomas’ concurrence proves that they’re coming after same-sex marriage and birth control next!”
  • “You can’t force people to donate organs. Women have less bodily autonomy than corpses now.”
  • “You want to throw women into jail.”
  • “Women will be prosecuted for miscarriages.”

Finally the staff discuss the three steps for the pro-life movement now before taking questions from the audience.

Responding to 8 Types of Difficult Pro-Lifers (with Monica Snyder & Andrew Kaake – Part 1)

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It’s the question we’re asked more often than any other, and we want to answer it carefully. The question is, “What should I do about the pro-life activist near me who is being difficult? Should I approach them differently than I do my dialogues with pro-choice people?”

Josh and Emily invited ERI Lead Editor Andrew Kaake and Secular Pro-Life’s Executive Director Monica Snyder on the show for a two-part discussion on the way they think about responding to online comments, eight common types of difficult pro-life people, and how you can respond to them.

Note: Sorry for the occasional distortion with Josh and Emily’s mics. They’ve had a good six-year run, but we’re replacing them before the next time we record (the mics, not Josh and Emily).

We also had technical issues with Monica’s video stream due to technical issues. All of her audio is there, but the video is missing sometimes.

Related Links:

Secular Pro-Life:

Monica Snyder for Secular Pro-Life: “Nine months of inconvenience.”

First episode of our two-part podcast with Jonathon Van Maren on AHA:


  • 00:00 Introducing the guests and topic
  • 02:49 Opening comments
  • 09:28 ERI/SPL’s policies on responding to comments
  • 18:58 8 Types of Difficult Pro-Life People…
  • 19:39 Type 1: The Ones With Only One (Unpersuasive) Argument…
  • 26:08 Type 2: The Ones Who Need to Stop Saying This, Now!
  • 38:20 Type 3: The Ones Who Are Very Out of Touch with Reality
  • 47:20 Type 4: The Ones Who Really Frustrate Monica

What’s Really Up with the High African-American Abortion Rate? (with Gary Freeman)

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This is a continuation of Josh’s conversation with Gary Freeman on crossing the racial divide in pro-life work. In this episode they discuss the high abortion rate in the African-American community and why that is, and how we should think about the debate over Planned Parenthood being an allegedly racist organization.

Talking “Black Church”, “White Church”, and the Pro-Life Movement (with Gary Freeman)

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This is a continuation of Josh’s conversation with Gary Freeman on crossing the racial divide in pro-life work. In this episode they contrast Gary’s position with those who say that you can’t be pro-life unless you agree with them on other social issues, why people in black churches are distrustful of Gary as soon as he calls himself “pro-life”, and how the church could have possibly made Black Lives Matter irrelevant.

If you haven’t listened to the first part of this conversation, do that first for this section to make sense in context.