Be Open to Letting the Conversation Change Topics

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Learning to defend your deeply held beliefs is really important, but it’s easy to get into the wrong mindset. Sometimes we get so focused on supporting the arguments for our view and defeating the arguments for the other view that we get…well, weird. We can get into the kind of focus where we are so oblivious to the person in front of us, we might as well be arguing with a robot.

Apologetics is not an end in itself, it’s a means to an end. The end for which we use apologetics is loving people by seeking their best interest.[Tweet that!] Sometimes that means our dutifully studied arguments become unnecessary.

One of the traps that comes along with the territory of studying apologetics is getting into a “flow-chart mindset.” If she says A, you say X, if she says B, you say Y, and so on.


But the times I go on autopilot and I’m thinking too much about the argument, I lose track of the person, and often the point. This is why it’s important to respond to people, not merely their statements.

And this is why I’ve learned to let the conversation turn away from abortion.


Some people strongly disagree with this idea, they think that you should always stay on the topic that “really matters.” At Equal Rights Institute, we encourage our students to be open to the possibility that when someone changes the subject to something else, that other subject might be something that they really need to discuss.

Here are a few examples:


Some people have told me that if I don’t share the gospel in every conversation I have, then I am making a huge mistake. Other people have told me that if I ever let the conversation shift from abortion to religion, then I am making a huge mistake. (You can’t please everybody.)

Both of these views are wrong. Both views treat people like formulas instead of like people. People are complicated, so they have different needs.

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Sometimes people are in desperate need of clear thinking about abortion, and forcing the subject to change to religion is a mistake. But sometimes people need me tell them why I believe in Jesus a lot more than they need to hear about abortion.

Every conversation is a series of difficult judgment calls amidst prayer without ceasing. I don’t think I always make the right calls. But I certainly don’t think I should run every conversation from the same script.

Same-sex marriage

Anyone that has tried doing pro-life outreach in the last five years knows that people bring up same-sex marriage very frequently. If I’m talking about abortion and the person suddenly shifts and says, “well what do you think about gay marriage?,” they might just be doing that because they feel like they’re losing on abortion and they want to win. Sometimes my judgment call in the moment is that we were getting somewhere and we need to finish the conversation we were already having first. But  sometimes it’s an openly gay man or woman made in the image of God asking me if I think God hates them. I think that’s a question worth answering. Oftentimes it’s someone that has never heard a reasonable and loving Christian explain why they are opposed to same-sex marriage, and if that’s the case then they have handed me a wonderful opportunity.

Sometimes when they bring up same-sex marriage, it’s all about credibility. Some people will not listen to your argument about abortion until you convince them that you don’t blindly hate gay people. I’m not saying that’s fair; I’m saying when that’s the case, plowing ahead with your pro-life argument is akin to putting your fingers in your ears and humming. It’s worth saying that you don’t hate gay people, and that it’s unconscionable and disgusting when people are bullied or abused because they’re gay. I’m for the equal right to life of all people, born or unborn, regardless of their sexual orientation. I’m not against abortion because I’m just specifically obsessed with fetuses (which is what many pro-choice people think about us). I’m against abortion because it is one particularly egregious example of injustice among many.

When you’re talking to someone about abortion, what is your agenda? If it’s to get them on their knees committing to follow Christ by dinnertime no matter what, you’re going to miss great opportunities. If your agenda is to convince them to be pro-life no matter what, you’re going to miss great opportunities.

When you’re in a conversation with an individual made in God’s image, your agenda should be loving that person. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for that person is to talk to them about abortion. Sometimes the most loving thing you can do for that person is to talk about something other than abortion. Be willing to get out of your comfort zone if that’s what the person needs.

Click here to read the followup post with three other examples where we change the conversation topic from abortion to something else, but for a different reason.


Question: Do you ever allow a dialogue about abortion to shift to something else? Share your thoughts in the comments below!

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Josh Brahm is the President of Equal Rights Institute, an organization that trains pro-life advocates to think clearly, reason honestly and argue persuasively.

Josh has worked in the pro-life movement since he was 18. A sought-after speaker, Josh has spoken for more than 23,000 people in six countries and in 22 of the 50 states.

Josh’s primary passion is helping pro-life people to be more persuasive when they communicate with pro-choice people. That means ditching faulty rhetoric and tactics and embracing arguments that hold up under philosophical scrutiny.

He has publicly debated leaders from Planned Parenthood, the National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL), Georgians for Choice, and one of the leading abortion facilities in Atlanta.

Josh also wants to bring relational apologetics to the pro-life movement. “Some pro-choice people will not change their mind after one conversation on a college campus. Some of them will only change their mind after dozens of conversations with a person they trust in the context of friendship.”

Josh is formerly the host of a globally-heard podcast turned radio/TV show, Life Report. He now hosts the Equipped for Life Podcast. He’s also written dozens of articles for and the ERI blog.

He directed the first 40 Days for Life campaign in Fresno, resulting in up to 60 lives saved.

Josh has been happily married to his wife, Hannah, for 15 years. They have three sons, Noah, William, and Eli. They live in Charlotte, North Carolina.

David Bereit, the National Director of 40 Days for Life, sums up Josh’s expertise this way: “Josh Brahm is one of the brightest, most articulate, and innovative people in the pro-life movement. His cutting-edge work is helping people think more clearly, communicate more effectively, and — most importantly — be better ambassadors for Christ. I wholeheartedly endorse Josh’s work, and I encourage you to join me in following Josh and getting involved in his work today!”

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