Pastor Dan Burrell from Life Fellowship Church invited ERI President Josh Brahm to be interviewed for a four-episode series on pro-life dialogue for their podcast, LifeTalks. This is the fourth episode in that series, where Dan plays a hostile pro-choice advocate in a mock debate with Josh!
Questions: (mock debate)
- 1:51: Who are you to say what a woman has a right to do with her own body?
- 2:56: But isn’t it ‘her body, her choice’?
- 3:22: Even if the fetus may be a person, it is not viable, or won’t be for some time.
- 4:19: What if the baby is born with severe mental or physical defects?
- 5:30: Isn’t it wrong for you to insist that a woman deliver a baby that she cannot take care of?
- 6:43: Is it compassionate to force a woman who has been violently raped to be reminded of the assault every day for at least 9 months?
- 8:40: Aren’t most of your arguments based on religion?
- 9:45: Would you force a woman whose life is at risk with this pregnancy to continue?
- 10:59: Isn’t the pro-life position a slippery slope that could end with a negative view of even birth control?
- 12:30: Aren’t you a conservative? Wouldn’t this be government overreach to ban abortion?
- 13:43: Doesn’t pro-life legislation infringe on the right to privacy?
- 14:29: Aren’t your arguments patriarchal and sexist?
- 15:52: Isn’t comparing abortion to genocide an overreach?
Pastor Dan Burrell from Life Fellowship Church invited ERI President Josh Brahm to be interviewed for a four-episode series on pro-life dialogue for their podcast, LifeTalks. This is the third episode in that series. They discuss Josh’s journey to create ERI and what his team has learned along the way.
- 1:35: How did you get involved in this?
- 7:05: What are some of the things your team has been learning about persuading people?
- 17:42: How do you get the opportunity to go on college campuses and have discussions about abortion?
- 19:12: Are you comfortable doing debates?
- 20:31: Why relational apologetics?
Pastor Dan Burrell from Life Fellowship Church invited ERI President Josh Brahm to be interviewed for a four-episode series on pro-life dialogue for their podcast, LifeTalks. This is the second episode in that series. They address when to talk about abortion in this day and age, our responsibilities as pro-life voters, and how to manage support for organizations that back Planned Parenthood.
- 2:26: Why should we avoid discussing abortion on social media? Or should we?
- 7:53: Is it a bad idea to even respond when you see one of your friends on Facebook that may put something up that is against our beliefs? (Is it our responsibility?)
- 11:21: Is it better to have no restrictions on abortion rather than legislation with some restrictions but many exceptions?
- 15:10 Is it right to use a candidate’s position on abortion as a litmus test as to whether or not you would support them politically?
- 16:37: Should you talk about abortion in church?
- 20:02: Is it right to give money to organizations that, while they do some good, support abortion providers like Planned Parenthood?
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Rachel Crawford and I discuss the abortion episode in the third season of “13 Reasons Why,” how it misrepresents the pro-life movement, and what pro-life people ought to say when they hear people bring it up.
Netflix recently published the third season of 13 Reasons Why, a show whose first two seasons were criticized for aiming graphic, mature content at a young intended audience. In the second episode of the third season, there is an abortion subplot that misrepresents the pro-life movement and sidewalk counseling so severely that it can only be described as propaganda. The character seeking an abortion first goes to a deceptive pregnancy resource center she believes is an abortion facility and then in another scene goes to the abortion facility and is met by a group of deceptive anti-abortion protestors.
The primary scene we want to comment on is the scene at the abortion facility. It depicts a harmful caricature of the reality of sidewalk counseling and could be no further from what ERI teaches in the Sidewalk Counseling Masterclass. The abortion-minded woman is met by a group of Christians when she arrives at the clinic. They call out to her asking her to pray with them and telling her God loves her and her baby. Then a woman approaches her wearing an orange vest labeled “Clinic Escort” and she says, “Come on, let’s walk past the crazies,” and clearly acts like she is with the abortion clinic, not the Christian group. The pregnant woman’s boyfriend says to her, “This day is hard enough” to which the woman in the vest responds, “It should be hard. Killing is a sin.” In this moment the pregnant woman realizes that she has been deceived by the woman in the vest, who is actually one of the protestors in disguise. Then, the fake escort says “Take this” and puts a bloody fetal model in the abortion-minded woman’s hand and pleads with her to not go through with the abortion.
This is not at all representative of sidewalk counseling. We have worked with many sidewalk counselors across the United States as well as pro-life organizations who train sidewalk counselors, and we can say with confidence that deception of abortion-minded women is openly condemned. In our own training course, we instruct sidewalk counselors who wear vests for their safety because of incoming traffic to always try to choose a vest that is a different color of any escorts who are at the clinic. The vests that we will be selling online for the safety of pro-life advocates say “Pregnancy Resource Advocate” with the purpose of distinguishing them from the abortion facility because we believe it is wrong and harmful to deceive the abortion-minded person into thinking we are a clinic escort.
Sidewalk counseling is not about protesting abortion or shaming women coming to the clinic. It is about offering information and resources to those who would like to make a different choice.